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Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 02:41 PM UTC
Schatton Modellbau presents a conversion for a Schwerer Flammpanzer "Flammtiger"
A prototype was intended to be built between January and April, 1945 and parts were shipped by train but it is not clear what happened to it.

The conversion can use any Tiger I (late) hull, and comes also with the fuel tanks, that can be shown open or with the cover structure.
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Regarding the confusion and inefficiency of German research & design: If you had been an engineer or engineering manager in those days you had two options: 1. Make yourself useful for the war effort by working with some vital and/or prioritised project. 2. Let yourself be made useful by getting stuffed into a uniform and be sent to the eastern front. Since "everyone" was jealously guarding their own projects you would have to come up with something new and fanciful to catch the Führers interest. Efficiency or not: it was a matter of survival ... My grandfather worked in a shipyard cutting steel plates to build submarines. Hitler decided that submarines were a waste of time and money so my grandfather was put on a train going east. Then the Führer changed his mind after some persuasion by Dönitz so my grandfather was ordered off the train somewhere in Poland and sent back home to the shipyard again. This applied to tens of thousands of others involved in the building of submarines. I guess that Dönitz and the submarine warfare probably saved my grandfathers life and allowed me to get Christmas presents from him. I also drank quite a lot of apple brandy at his 80th birthday when I was 15, didn't get drunk but I was slightly unsteady on my feet for a few minutes / Robin
DEC 28, 2017 - 08:38 PM
I don't think the Elephant/Ferdinand belong in the "white elephant" category - certainly, in their original concept as a heavy tank; and their petrol/electric drive was premature and flawed. But what would the Germans do with 90-odd chassis? This is a case of "waste not - want not" - a heavy chassis coupled with the PaK 88mm L/71 - probably the best AT gun of WWll. The design was a compromise, but it was responsible for taking out hundreds of Soviet tanks (not that it mattered in the long run!). With it's long range, and on the flat lands of the Russian (Ukraine) Steppes, it was a formidable tank-killer.
DEC 28, 2017 - 09:32 PM
At least with a Churchill crocodile you could drop the trailer and have a gun tank. The Flammpanzer III still used a standard turret as did most of the Sherman flame tanks. Seems this is a step backwards without a turret belongs on a World War I battlefield not WWII. Though that turretless hull is what would make a model of this so wild looking.
DEC 28, 2017 - 09:41 PM
To mesmerized, traumatized , and delusional true believers, it was just a matter of time before the tide of war turned and German forces would again be sweeping to victory and needing all sorts of wonder weapons, powered by abundant fuel and ammo.
DEC 28, 2017 - 11:55 PM
What? "Sweeping to victory"? My entire family tree was involved in that silly kerfuffle and I don't for a second believe that the Germans had even the slightest chance after 1942. Possibly even before that. And yes, for what it was intended the Elephant was formidable in its designed role. Imagine anything else able to move around on its own and destroy anything else on the battlefield at ranges up to three thousand meters! Kind of a short list. And as Leo (Biggles2) pointed out, want-not waste-not.
DEC 30, 2017 - 05:20 AM
I thought I was clear that the belief in victory was delusional.
DEC 30, 2017 - 06:01 AM
I think Frank was saying that not even the most mesmerized true believers in Germany believed in victory anymore. Even Hitler had given up and declared that the German people was unworthy of survival. Adolf had given orders to blow everything up, everything, there shouldn't be one brick on top of another when the allies marched in. Fortunately for the German people this order was more or less completely ignored. Bridges were blown to slow down advancing troops of course but the cities, what was left of them, was not blown to pieces. Hitler also ordered that Paris should be levelled but the German commander didn't give the order to proceed. / Robin
DEC 30, 2017 - 07:52 PM
It should be noted - for all it's faults - the Elefant/Ferdinand actually had the best kill ratio of all TDs from all nations . I believe mostly using it as a mobile pillbox in ambush mode. It was 10.5 or 11 to 1 if I recall ...
DEC 31, 2017 - 07:20 AM
While the Ferdinands' intro at Kursk wasn't exactly the ideal setting or use for such a weapon system still in its teething stages it should also be remembered that the Soviets later claimed "hundreds" of Ferdinands and Tigers destroyed. Yup, "Hundreds". Slight tongue-in-cheek exaggeration on their part. The concept was workable, the automotives not so much, and commanders aware of the proper use of such weapons also limited its initial success. Still, on flat open ground I'd hate to go up against one in anything short of a fighter-bomber.
DEC 31, 2017 - 07:50 AM
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